Posted by shiraz on December 24, 19103 at 10:51:06:
In Reply to: Re: Why ismailis are not muslim and never will be. READ it if you can, ismailis and those interested. dare you? posted by samir hussein on December 19, 19103 at 16:02:24:
who told you we don't pray and fast. we fast and we pray. there is no "namaz" word in the quran, but it says "salat" and what does that means. have you ever think about the meaning or the reason behind reciting "salat". i know what you are going to say; to pray, to show yourself sinful to the god, and think about the god. we all muslims go to the mosque to pray not to talk. we have same purpose, and it doesn't matter how you do it. hazrat mohammad(pbuh) sometimes sat or sleep when he prayed.
you don't know how many "rakat" we recite in our dua. we recite 18 rakats and you recite 17.
if you tell me that why do you recite just three times a day, hazrat mohammad(pbuh)ordered all muslims that you can recite two namaz at one time if you don't have time. you don't know how many "nafal namaz" we recite.
i don't get it why does all the muslims attack ismailies, but have you ever seen any ismaili to attack any one. i am not saying that there is none in our religion.do me a favor, go to mosque and ask the imam that how many people give "zakat".you will amazed to listen to the number. once you will listen to the number of people, just think about how many muslims live there around the mosque.
go early in the morning at 5:00 a.m. how many people you can see in the mosque. this is my challenge that you willn't see more than 20 or 25 people come to the mosque. go every day and five times a week, you willn't see more people. if you say that people are busy in their material life, they can't find time to go mosque.now you tell me that you don't have any time from your five times. they can recite all five namaz in one time, but unfortunately, this doesn't happen.
some of the muslims says that we allow women to come to our jamat khanas. that is right. you find me or tell me where in the quran or in the hadith says that women aren't suppose to go to their mosques. hazrat mohammad(pbuh)respected all the womens and told them to pray. i can show you the mosque pictures where women are sitting and praying with the men. whats wrong with that. once you go for pray you think about god, you don't think which girl is standing right next to me. hazrat mohammad(pbuh)said that every pray depend on your "neyat". just think who else comes to your mosque do u see women, old people, sick people, pragnant womens, and children. you can barely see them in the mosque. in out jamat khanas every body comes. i shouldn' t say but i am telling you that most muslim just come to mosque only friday. what is wrong with you all. why don't you go everyday. most of our muslim brothers have created this religion like a cristian. cristians just go to churches only sunday and our muslim brother just go on fridays. what is the difference between them and us. i can give you guaranteed that our 35 to 40 % ismaili population go every day and 75% on fridays. just don't think that i am telling you that ismailies are the pure people. there are few bad people in our ismaili, like other religion, who don't pray, do all the sins, commit crimes. pakistan is an islamic country, just look around all the crimes, corruption, and sins have become our mulims symbol in front of westerners. \
if you say that we don't fast. there are many remours you hear every day about ismailies. there are many muslims who think that they are the best.
now you tell me that, god sent bible, and other holy books before quran. you belive that and i think you agree that the cristians will go to hell or they are "kafirs" because they don't have right religion. if you agree with that now you tell me that we also have quran.if cristian are bad or "kafirs" if muslims says beacuse they drink, smoke, and do all the bad deeds even having the holy book of god "bible." why can't muslims be called "kafirs" because arabs and our mulsims drink, smoke, rape, gamble and all other big sins with having Quran. i think these muslims will go to the hell.just think about that if you have a mathematics or some science or computer book, how would you solve the problem with out having a teacher. you will need someone to teach you. you need somebody to help you to understand and find the solution. simirarly, we have quran, but who is going to guide us with out having the teacher. if you say that we have been already thought by hazrat mohammad(pbuh)then why can't solve some silly math problems. you aren't "rasiqoon fil elm"
i don't know about you gyies about but let me tell you how the muslims are bad. you know saudi arabia is a muslim country, there is a german alcoholic factory in saudi arabia. they sell in big markets with telling non alcoholic with out any blockade from the government. i think these are the real mulims who like to drink. if you go to Las Vagas, it is full of gamblers. you will be amazed by seeing arabs and muslims gamling. what the hell is going on. they lost million of dollars in night. god has given them "oil" and you see where do they spend it. that money can be used for third world country especially for poors(khayanat in their amanat) let me tell you about sunnis, what the hell they have a beard for. hazrat mohammad(pbuh)had a beard, but you know what time was it, there was no razors, no technology.if you don't like all this technology, ride in camels, use sword for wars, then see who will win the war.
hazrat mohammad(pbuh)gave respect to the women, now you see in the headline news that one sunni father killed her daughter beacuse she didn't like traditional marriage. she liked somebody, i hope he would be a muslim in pakistan. no education for womens what the hell is going on with the sunnis. burkhas, oh my god, i don't know why women wear those, to hide their identity. women have no rights in the third world countries because of the muslims(especially sunnis).
have you ever thought about why the westerners or you call "kafirs" are in advance in every field. why are the muslim countries included in the third world. if we are the right muslims, god must be happy on us give our country more progress. why are we behind.there is something wrong in us, we always fight each other on especially shia or sunni. there is no "unity".
every body is criticizing every body. medicine, formal clothes was introduced by ismailies. abu ali sinnah, founder of medicine, was ismaili. you haven't read the history, so how come you know.
first of all muslims don't know their religion very well. sunnis criticize wests. i am ismaili muslim, if you say to me that you don't pray or fast. think in your mind or listen your heart voice that do u regularly pray five time a day or fast. there are about 75% muslims don't fast. they just lie or show to yourself that they are fasting. tell some body" khuda ki qasam" do you pray five times a day. no i said wrong because muslims easily take qassam and tell you lie, tell them "your wige or chidrens qassam" this might help. your heart would say to you that you don't pray five times a day.
all the muslims attack on ismailies, thats wrong. what historical evidence you can show us that ismailies are wrong. ismailies have right islam.
i recommend to all my sunni brothers to read the book called "al farooq" by alama shibli noomani. whole sunnis and muslim world respect them and we too. this book is about hazrat abu bakar.
few days before the death of hazrat mohammad(pbuh), mohammad asked for pen and paper to write something that all muslim must remember. there were all the sahabis were there except Ali. one person stood to take paper and pen, hazrat abu bakar hold him and told him that this person hazrat mohammad(pbuh)is murmuring in his sickness. that words for mohammad was used by abu bakar. what was wrong with the abu bakar.
by "al farooq"
there was something important that hazrat mohammad(pbuh)wanted to write it down and that was the imamat of hazrat ali.
as mohammad died abu bakar and ummar neglicting the final ceremony of hazrat mohammad(pbuh) bady, and declared abu bakar the khalifa, because they were greedy for all the money and leadership. hazrat ali came with " pangtan paak" and finish all the final ceremony of hazrat mohammad(pbuh) and was laid to rest in his room. ali locked the door and went home. when abu bakar and ummar came, they were frightened to hear that hazrat mohammad(pbuh)final ceremony has been finished. what thing was it that abu bakar and ummar lest the janaza of hazrat mohammad(pbuh).
i recomend you to read "sirat un nabbi" by alama shibli nomani about hazrat Ali's power.
fort of khaiber was one of the strongest in weight, in height and width that thousands of forces couldn't move the door . hazrat mohammad(pbuh)said that we will have fort of khaiber in forty days. hazrat mohammad(pbuh) send all the military forces for 39 days. all the forces faced defeat and on the last day, hazrat mohammad(pbuh)ordered hazrat ali to conquer. he went himself, he lifted the whole door with his one finger, that several couldn't move it. thats i am not saying, i am telling you what the " sirat un nabbi" says. how much power was required to destroy the whole door with his one finger. when hazrat ali throwed that door, it went that far that no body could find it. that was his spiritual power, and that is the same power in our imam.
you know about the one popular hadith that when hazrat aisha asked hazrat mohammad(pbuh) that can we look at the god? hazrat mohammad(pbuh) repied that yes.how is that possible that every body can see the god at one time.hazrat mohammad(pbuh)replied that as we all can see the sun, god can see all of us. hazrat ali came that time and knock the door and hazrat mohammad(pbuh) said that gods face is copy ali's face. thats why we call "hazrat ali karm allah ho wajahoo". karm allah ho wajaho means god's face.
during the one battle where muslims were winning, but finally lost the battle beacuse hazrat mohammad(pbuh) ordered one group to stand it valley or small mountain to prevent from enemy attack. when enemies went little far, they saw that mulims are busy in collecting the looted material. these muslims disobeyed hazrat mohammad(pbuh) and left their places. enemy killed many of the muslims, there was so much dust that some muslims killed muslims. hazrat mohammad(pbuh) didn't feel his safety. he called " ya ali adrikani" then hazrat ali came and save hazrat mohammad(pbuh).
now my question is that hazrat mohammad(pbuh) was prophet of god. why didn't he say that god help me, why did he call ali to help. there is something you need to ask yourself. i hope you will get the logical answers.